Ethram Fal

[Caudilloo]

The fight with the new timings is far far easier then it was before. I'd go as far as saying it's not harder then Cetriss and Zelandra anymore. Maybe it is even too easy but I agree to the sentiment that at this point a significant nerf like this it doesn't really matter anymore.

[tman1991]

The fight with the new timings is far far easier then it was before. I'd go as far as saying it's not harder then Cetriss and Zelandra anymore. Maybe it is even too easy but I agree to the sentiment that at this point a significant nerf like this it doesn't really matter anymore.

what texan is proposing is not a significant nerf. its just getting the boss under reasonable limits. the fact that only 2 guilds have killed this and no one new has killed it in 6+ months says its a wee bit overtuned.. And yes with alot more practice im sure we can kill it, but the timings now making things more complicated.. I support texan's ideas.

[Redd]

what texan is proposing is not a significant nerf. its just getting the boss under reasonable limits. the fact that only 2 guilds have killed this and no one new has killed it in 6+ months says its a wee bit overtuned.. And yes with alot more practice im sure we can kill it, but the timings now making things more complicated.. I support texan's ideas.

It also says that it is beyond boring fight that many have literally zero motivation to do.

[Caudilloo]

what texan is proposing is not a significant nerf. its just getting the boss under reasonable limits. the fact that only 2 guilds have killed this and no one new has killed it in 6+ months says its a wee bit overtuned.. And yes with alot more practice im sure we can kill it, but the timings now making things more complicated.. I support texan's ideas.

In my opinion the change in timings is already a very significant nerf and makes the fight a whole lot easier. Once we get a bit more used to the changes I think it won't be much harder then for example Zelandra. Any guild that kills her reliably probably won't have much issues with it anymore. The changes in timing easily put the fight within reasonable limits in my opinion. Hopefully we get a couple more weeks of decent raids before full on summer slack kicks in and this boss should fall.

That said I still think it's a bad fight but asking for a complete redesign would be a bit too much to ask I suppose.

[Anubium]

So did this hotfix do anything to fix the encounter again?

[Fass]

what texan is proposing is not a significant nerf. its just getting the boss under reasonable limits. the fact that only 2 guilds have killed this and no one new has killed it in 6+ months says its a wee bit overtuned.. And yes with alot more practice im sure we can kill it, but the timings now making things more complicated.. I support texan's ideas.

What you havent realised yet though.. Is how easy the boss actually became with the new timings.. Dont be so narrow minded.

[Halfdead]

So did this hotfix do anything to fix the encounter again?

Where do you see hotfix in "Server Restart"?

[Anubium]

They could have ninjafixed something even for a 'restart', wouldn't be the first time

[Texan615]

What you havent realised yet though.. Is how easy the boss actually became with the new timings.. Dont be so narrow minded.

Don't be so narrow minded and assume every other raid group is as capable as CoE and Destiny. That should be quite obvious considering no new guilds have killed Ethram Fal in over 6 months. If the recent change makes the fight so easy, where are all the new kills since the last patch?

I know many hate nerfs, but come on, nobody wants to wait every few months while Funcom makes a slight tweak here and there. By the time the fight is adequately adjusted, there won't be any progression raiders still playing to kill it.

[Caudilloo]

Don't be so narrow minded and assume every other raid group is as capable as CoE and Destiny.

I think what he means with 'narrow minded' is that you have to adapt your strategy to the new timings and not do things the same way as you practiced in the months before.

Not sure if you want to experiment yourself to adapt strats but I promise you the recent changes were a huge nerf.