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    I haven't played since 2008, and back then I had a Guardian. I literally know nothing about DT, but can only seem to find end-game guys (probably not surprisingly).

    Can anyone point me to some decent levelling builds/guides for DT? Or at least give me some very high-level ideas in terms what the optimal way to play is? Even things like which stats I'm trying to go for on gear aren't clear to me, so any help would be awesome.

    Thanks!

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    Start with this :

    http://joharaoc.eu/feat?link=v10_11f...2494126f012048

    Then go for this to get a bit more armor if needed :

    http://joharaoc.eu/feat?link=v10_11f...2494126f012048

    Then :

    http://joharaoc.eu/feat?link=v10_11f...20ad1255c1129c

    It's basically getting as much dps as possible to have a smooth and fast leveling phase.

    As for gear, heavy armor, plate, when you can get some, and you can use accessories (rings/necklace/cloack) with strength, combat rating, magical damage, wisdom, since DT allows much versatility when it comes to what benefits the class.
    For the weapons, you want crit, hit, strength, magical damage, whatever frankly, DT can use pretty much anything.
    Get 2 sets of weapons, 1 with a shield and 1 with a talisman, so you can switch if you need more or less armor, talismans giving you in general more dps.

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    Imo Mellaus is right. But the reason you cant find lvling guids of DT is because lvling a DT you wont learn how to use it. The DT with or without VoM are like 2 different classes. So my advice is reach to lvl 80 a soon a you can, get VoM and then start to learning how to play.
    -> DT:Stiraqvcrn; Necro:Munyidora; ToS:Stiraqvaa; Guard:Stirameco; BS: Stiraqcanya, ...

    If you see one Stira wipeing a group or a raid Its me

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    I'd say far from. Reposting not finished, strange lvl 80 vom build isn't right thing to do. Corrupted Weapons and Blighted Soul before Talisman Mastery at 26? Any of those but not Reaper of Malacador? Yea, because DT without VoM need random critable procs. Right. And those are just two first major flaws.
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    Lvling:
    First pick: Blighted Soul until you can get Pact of Malacodor 5/5.
    Then go all the way depravity, focusing on consulming bulwark, Crystallized Ether, devoure's might to finally get Soul Barrier (this is your main objective, do not waste points making everything above 5/5). Get Seal of Chaos and then you should focus on covenant of pestilence. After CoP, just go for curse of gwalur, mind shatter and ville gluttony.

    You will end up like this: http://goo.gl/l019Gp. The rest of points doesn't really matter, i'd probably get Dark Hand or Ether Reap.

    Ignore everything said about VoM, you're not even close to get it.

    About buffs: Do not waste your time learning Covenants. Covenant of Pestilence is better than everything against physical damage. Covenant of Invulnerability is better than everything against magical damage.

    When you hit 80 and get VoM, well, things are different so get ready to say goodbye to your old class.
    Get always full plate equipment. You kill your targets by surviving a lot.
    Last edited by Lerael; 21st July 2014 at 17:41.

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    Ehrm.. No. Guards kill stuff by surviving. A frenzied DT does kill very fast even without Void of Madness...

    Covenant of Arms is the best Covenant, because its damage is activated by your offensive hits.

    Covenant of Pestilence's damage is activated by you getting hit. It does add a bit armor but the quicker you kill your targets, the less damage can they do to you. You will do less damage with this covenant active over Covenant of Arms.

    Covenant of Invulnerability is only ever needed in protection fights where you need more protection than 40%. You never ever need this in a leveling process.

    You do not have to take any points in Depravity at all until you get to level 60, and then you can feat the aoe stun (Mind Shatter) if you need it. Feating Soul Barrier is nice indeed but you will be out of mana in no time if you also use Pact of Malacodor (which I highly recommend, and is one of the main damage sources).

    Levels 10-25: http://goo.gl/3P38lN
    Levels 25-40: http://goo.gl/bStn3C
    Levels 40-60: http://goo.gl/GfLmz5
    Levels 60-80: http://goo.gl/p1Pm0T

    Those are leveling builds with good dps. If you need to tank in a group instance, use the multi specialisation you get from a trainer. Black Castle is the first sixman instance you can do, but more likely, Cradle of Decay, Sanctum of Burning Souls and Toirdelbachs Tomb are where you will get your first tanking experiences. Those are at level (+/- 1-5 levels) 38, 40 and 48.

    Use this as a default template for tanking. You get the idea, grab armor, protection and improved defensive stance from General tree. Spend to your liking in the others, but always have Pact of Malacodor and Covenant of Arms.

    Level 40+: http://goo.gl/bGJz40
    Level 50+: http://goo.gl/ZkmmZ4
    Level 60+: http://goo.gl/5uWErC

    Regarding combos, try to keep a rotation where you always have tap buffs from Leech Life and A Soul for our Feasts active, and the mob debuffed with Unhallowed Blight. Blood for Aid is the "bread and butter", use that when other things are on cooldown or you wait for the right time to put up buffs again.

    Remember to buff up, you should at all times have active Sadistic Soul, Pact of Malacodor, Drain Life (/Essence if you got Soul Barrier up), Aura of Dread Fury (Infusion if another DT in your group has it feated in Desecration) and Covenant of Arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shax84 View Post
    Ehrm.. No. Guards kill stuff by surviving. A frenzied DT does kill very fast even without Void of Madness...

    Covenant of Arms is the best Covenant, because its damage is activated by your offensive hits.

    Covenant of Pestilence's damage is activated by you getting hit. It does add a bit armor but the quicker you kill your targets, the less damage can they do to you. You will do less damage with this covenant active over Covenant of Arms.

    Covenant of Invulnerability is only ever needed in protection fights where you need more protection than 40%. You never ever need this in a leveling process.

    You do not have to take any points in Depravity at all until you get to level 60, and then you can feat the aoe stun (Mind Shatter) if you need it. Feating Soul Barrier is nice indeed but you will be out of mana in no time if you also use Pact of Malacodor (which I highly recommend, and is one of the main damage sources).

    Levels 10-25: http://goo.gl/3P38lN
    Levels 25-40: http://goo.gl/bStn3C
    Levels 40-60: http://goo.gl/GfLmz5
    Levels 60-80: http://goo.gl/p1Pm0T

    Those are leveling builds with good dps. If you need to tank in a group instance, use the multi specialisation you get from a trainer. Black Castle is the first sixman instance you can do, but more likely, Cradle of Decay, Sanctum of Burning Souls and Toirdelbachs Tomb are where you will get your first tanking experiences. Those are at level (+/- 1-5 levels) 38, 40 and 48.

    Use this as a default template for tanking. You get the idea, grab armor, protection and improved defensive stance from General tree. Spend to your liking in the others, but always have Pact of Malacodor and Covenant of Arms.

    Level 40+: http://goo.gl/bGJz40
    Level 50+: http://goo.gl/ZkmmZ4
    Level 60+: http://goo.gl/5uWErC

    Regarding combos, try to keep a rotation where you always have tap buffs from Leech Life and A Soul for our Feasts active, and the mob debuffed with Unhallowed Blight. Blood for Aid is the "bread and butter", use that when other things are on cooldown or you wait for the right time to put up buffs again.

    Remember to buff up, you should at all times have active Sadistic Soul, Pact of Malacodor, Drain Life (/Essence if you got Soul Barrier up), Aura of Dread Fury (Infusion if another DT in your group has it feated in Desecration) and Covenant of Arms.
    I'd like to make clear that almost all builds here are going to work, but my build is based on survivability and clearing several mobs at once, and that is better in my opinion because it saves time. There's no such ******** as "guard kills by surviving", DT is VERY good at it. I doubt you would survive several mobs at once in frenzy stance hoping to see crits with your 5% crit chance lol.
    I'm not trying to take off your credit, you're doing a great thing for the OP, i'm just making it clear that all builds are viable.

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    Well, if nothing else it should be clear by now that there are several different ways of getting a good DT levelling build.

    Here is what I would recommend:

    Start with: http://joharaoc.eu/feat?link=v10_11f...1238116e81287c

    Then: http://joharaoc.eu/feat?link=v10_11f...1238116e81287c

    And finally: http://joharaoc.eu/feat?link=v10_11f...28e4118de124fb


    (Fully feated Cabalistic Hunger + Vile Gluttony is very nice for dealing with groups of enemies.)

    I am not claiming it is the best possible build, but it should work quite well for levelling/solo PVE play.
    (If you are doing PvP, or playing a tank or dps role in a group you would want different builds for each of those.)


    One thing that should always be kept in mind when playing a DT is that their main feature is their health taps. (Depending on how they are built possibly also mana and stamina taps.)
    The thing with health taps is that the more damage you do the more health is returned via thetap. Therefore increasing your dps also increases your survivability.

    Another thing that might be worth mentioning is that much of your damage output will not be pure melee damage, but rather unholy damage added by various feats.

    And a final note: Seal of Chaos is a decent spell, but if you have Ether Reap and Consuming Bulwark feated it gets extra effects and goes from decent to very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lerael View Post
    I'd like to make clear that almost all builds here are going to work, but my build is based on survivability and clearing several mobs at once, and that is better in my opinion because it saves time. There's no such ******** as "guard kills by surviving", DT is VERY good at it. I doubt you would survive several mobs at once in frenzy stance hoping to see crits with your 5% crit chance lol.
    Yes, all builds are going to work, but you need the right buffs. Covenant of Arms and Approach of Death is the right feated covenant to use while levelling. Pact of Malacodor is an absolute must. And is it better to have Soul Barrier which consumes all mana rather than armor buff from General compared to wearing / not wearing a chest armor? No need to go frenzy, but after a mind wrack that hits most mobs, there is not much danger in doing it. I remember levelling up my DT, ripping apart Fields of the Dead, Eiglophian Mountains and Ymirs Pass, and it worked very well. I farmed Sanctum gear for my DT though, thats got to be said.

    What I meant by the Guard kills by surviving, is that Guardians has THE utmost worst dps of all classes in the game while levelling. Even though the survivability and health are higher, he gets hit so much more before the mob dies that it is a challenge to survive against 2-3 mobs of equal or higher level. The DT has a chance to kill by dps, and it is much faster than the alternative you suggest. Pulling groups with Reaper of Malacodor and Blighted Soul usually makes the mobs you not hit with combos stand with half or less hitpoints when the first guys die. Crits happen but thats not any important benefactor of damage at leveling phases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shax84 View Post
    it is a challenge to survive against 2-3 mobs of equal or higher level.
    I'd say you're doing something wrong. I usually take up to 6 mobs of my level on a levelling guard once outside of Tortage, and most of the time I go for 2-3 lvl+3/4.
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