hox dps vs demo dps?

[Chaman-bourru]

This whole 10K minimum WoF stuff was tickling me. I needed hard facts just to make sure the feeling i had in PvP against WoF was accurate. I asked a demo friend who had the kindness to spare 10 minuts for a few test on my HoX and Conq. Her gear:
Ai cloak, T4: gloves, belt, shoulders, boots, wrists and talisman, a t3 talisman and t3 necklace. Khitai wrings and the rest epic BB.

My Hox gear: Full wolves gear except bb gloves, PvP T2 boots and shoulders, T1 PvP legs.
>>> 16.7% fire protection.
>>> 8.052 Hp
Buffed WoF counting small dots aswell:
Around 6K total damage:
530 non crit
Highest crit seen 903


My Conq gear: Full T2 PvP with a few parts of T3 PvP HoC cloak.
>>> 46.2% fire protection in def
>>> 12.6% fire protection in fren
>>>13.105 HP
Buffed WoF counting small dots aswell against def stance conq:
Around 3.7K total damage.
330 non crit
527 highest crit noted

Buffed WoF counting small dots aswell against frenzy stance conq:
Around 6.3K total damage.
540 non crit
926 highest crit noted.

Indeed with a complete T4 gear the numbers might have rised a bit but not too drasticly either especially if you keep in mind she casted 2/3 damage buffs before WoF. Something hardly manageable in PvP.
Two observation: With her gear CoA and a couple of HfB killed her, in avatar two HfB and a pillar (non crit) killed her.
And landing a full WoF on a frenzy stanced conq isn't possible against a half brained one.

Again apologies for continuing the off topic part of the thread. Hopefully this will settle it.

[Shax84]

Again apologies for continuing the off topic part of the thread. Hopefully this will settle it.

Hard facts tend to end stupid discussions.

[Ruhenous]

Parsed 1523 on HoX now that I remembered all the combos ^^

Highest burst 11818.[/QUOTE
thx alot on your testings. Im not really pve player but its interesting to see this.
Just one question from pve nab, im curious how will testing go with prince of terror and glorious exaulation of xotli feated? is it possible to push dps even further like this with buffed btd or am i just thinking gibberish.

That's actually not an optimal PvE build either. He could've gotten another few hundred DPS by NOT going down the Hell on Earth line.

http://goo.gl/ZTsLt

http://goo.gl/ZTsLt

^Two spec's I'd use over a Hell on Earth spec.

[Erock25]

That's actually not an optimal PvE build either. He could've gotten another few hundred DPS by NOT going down the Hell on Earth line.

http://goo.gl/ZTsLt

http://goo.gl/ZTsLt

^Two spec's I'd use over a Hell on Earth spec.

Seriously? You post the same spec twice? How embarrassing for you.

[Shax84]

That's actually not an optimal PvE build either. He could've gotten another few hundred DPS by NOT going down the Hell on Earth line.

http://goo.gl/ZTsLt

http://goo.gl/ZTsLt

^Two spec's I'd use over a Hell on Earth spec.

I was maxing single target dps. Enlighten me how Thundering Flames and Undying Glory of Xotli improve numbers on Straw Man? And post screenshot of your parse with that spec

http://i.imgur.com/KUP4wRz.jpg <-- Missed combo steps a few times due to being not 100% familiar with rotation in full Avatar.

[Boesch]

1788 just then, could definitely do over 1800 if I just kept at it until I got nice crits, or I optimised my debuffing. I generally just raid on my HOX so I rely on most other classes doing that work for me.

[Ruhenous]

Seriously? You post the same spec twice? How embarrassing for you.

It happens.

[Ruhenous]

I was maxing single target dps. Enlighten me how Thundering Flames and Undying Glory of Xotli improve numbers on Straw Man? And post screenshot of your parse with that spec

http://i.imgur.com/KUP4wRz.jpg <-- Missed combo steps a few times due to being not 100% familiar with rotation in full Avatar.

They're not. They're filler points to get farther down the tree. However, Glorious Exultation of Xotli is a much larger increase in DPS than the entire Hell on Earth line, considering how poorly HoX combo's scale with combat rating. They scale much better with weapon damage, especially BtD.

Not to mention the fact that you lose Flame Lash/Inferno, which is a big part of any single target rotation.

[Boesch]

They're not. They're filler points to get farther down the tree. However, Glorious Exultation of Xotli is a much larger increase in DPS than the entire Hell on Earth line, considering how poorly HoX combo's scale with combat rating. They scale much better with weapon damage, especially BtD.

Not to mention the fact that you lose Flame Lash/Inferno, which is a big part of any single target rotation.

IMO: Flame Lash makes for a bad single target attack in PVE unless they are magic vulnerable. All things going well I can maintain ~1800 DPS in a fight and with a 2.5 second cast it would need to do 4500 to make it worth the time. IMO - it doesn't do except on crits. I just save all the stacks for Inferno.

[Ruhenous]

IMO: Flame Lash makes for a bad single target attack in PVE unless they are magic vulnerable. All things going well I can maintain ~1800 DPS in a fight and with a 2.5 second cast it would need to do 4500 to make it worth the time. IMO - it doesn't do except on crits. I just save all the stacks for Inferno.

Main reason I even said Flame Lash/Inferno, was the fact you need Flame Lash to get to a Inferno. :P