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  1. #61

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    empowered renewal is bogus it doesnt increase the damage of the combo finisher barely at all, ive tried it time and time again on the strawman and it really doesnt make much difference unless you put IB on someone then hit empowered renewal when they run away..

    try this build i have alot of success with it

    http://goo.gl/T4fF11

  2. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xamaron View Post
    empowered renewal is bogus it doesnt increase the damage of the combo finisher barely at all,...
    thats interesting what you say, anyone can confirm it?

  3. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcopthes View Post
    thats interesting what you say, anyone can confirm it?
    no, because its pure nonsense

  4. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xamaron View Post
    try this build i have alot of success with it

    http://goo.gl/T4fF11
    You should really not skip Rune of Grounding, especially in a PvP build.
    Retired nab.. once it was Korando (PvP 10 BS), Andromaeda (PvP 10 Sin), Calore (PvP 10 Demo) and minions...

  5. #65

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xamaron View Post
    empowered renewal is bogus it doesnt increase the damage of the combo finisher barely at all, ive tried it time and time again on the strawman and it really doesnt make much difference unless you put IB on someone then hit empowered renewal when they run away..

    try this build i have alot of success with it

    http://goo.gl/T4fF11
    How are these ppl even pvping in this game?

  6. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xamaron View Post
    empowered renewal is bogus it doesnt increase the damage of the combo finisher barely at all, ive tried it time and time again on the strawman and it really doesnt make much difference unless you put IB on someone then hit empowered renewal when they run away..

    try this build i have alot of success with it

    http://goo.gl/T4fF11
    well this is half true and half not. i've made some testing around this question a good year ago with the following parameters:
    only t3.5 blunt, no armor, not feats skilled but empowered renewal + appendix, no buffs, no blue heals or anything else running.

    ive made several tests with samples of ~25 shrewed blow V combos each and ignored the critting ones (we're few anyway due to no armor and no AAs). i tested both the combostarters -whether or not they receive any noteworthy damage bonus- and the finishers.
    first it seemed, like your assumption was correct -> starters got buffed quite obviously while the finishers -buffed and unbuffed- didnt differ much.

    BUT: the more i tested, the more i played around and somehow regogniced an inconsistency and here's the interesting point: if you activate empowered renewal BEFORE the actual animation of the finisher starts, the WHOLE combo gets buffed, if you activate renewal WHILE the animation is executed -no matter you landed a hit already or not- the finisher doesnt get buffed AT ALL.
    which leads to the conclusion that the internal damage of a hit/combo is determined at the very beginning of its execution.

    btw: if you ask how one can judge whether a whole combo gets buffed or just the first hit -> its in the ratio of the (3) hits of SB's finisher, its always the same! (1,67:1:1,5)

    // just found some numbers in an old text file; sorry no spoiler tags available:
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    You crush Straw Man for 293.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 488.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 438.
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    BUFFED
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 566.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 630.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 598.
    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 357.
    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 537.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 571.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 625.
    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 373.
    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 561.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 632.
    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 377.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 695.
    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 415.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 660.
    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 394.
    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 593.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 636.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 571.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 661.
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    Your Shrewd Blow V crushes Straw Man for 585.
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    Last edited by potlatch; 18th February 2014 at 20:40.

  7. #67

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    I thought every BS knew that these days ^^
    Expert Shield of the Risen opener.

  8. #68

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    Yeah, those claiming ER not to be working don't use it correctly.

    Most common is they waste Renewal on the whitehit before finisher, cause they pop it a bit too soon.
    Same goes for whitehits as with finishers, if you use it after the animation started, the affect isn't applied, but it will trigger the heal on hit, and damagebuff will be gone without it doing anything for you.

  9. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korando-AoC View Post
    You should really not skip Rune of Grounding, especially in a PvP build.
    I dont use it because of my latency, if im snared by rune of grounding i find it extremely difficult to land combos, espcially on some caster kiting me. I find i get plenty of protection by using rune of resilience + stone hide.

    Im still hazy about empowered renewal, got to test it more. I will post some numbers here after i have tested it.

  10. #70

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xamaron View Post
    I dont use it because of my latency, if im snared by rune of grounding i find it extremely difficult to land combos, espcially on some caster kiting me. I find i get plenty of protection by using rune of resilience + stone hide.

    Im still hazy about empowered renewal, got to test it more. I will post some numbers here after i have tested it.
    Realy? I would love to se any bs hit some caster with rune of grounding on. Maybe one that is afk is posible to hit, but you are using it wrong way if you are chasing kiters with it on. I mean saying no to magic buble is bit silly

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